Wednesday, 20 January 2016

Some unknown facts on Blogger Kevin Hague.


A quite remarkable personal attack broke out against Blogger Kevin Hague via Twitter last night while he was on the BBC's "Scotland 2016" Politics chat show with fellow Blogger Andrew Tickell from the other side of the political spectrum. A short selection of comments are below.


Kevin McKenna writes articles for the "National" and "Glasgow Herald" both SNP and Independence supporting Newspapers. He was also previously a writer for the Sun owned by Rupert Murdoch  which was yet  another main supporter of the SNP and Independence for Scotland. It can be seen from Kevin McKenna's timeline that he is a regular communicator with "Wings over Scotland" and the websites many dedicated and often abusive followers, so therefore we shouldn't be too surprised that the attacks soon escalated against Kevin Hague personally due to his past blogs picking apart the many financial data and other flaws on the SNP's White Paper, SNP policies and the false propaganda from SNP "front" Business from Scotland group.
Unless the Twitter thread gets deleted it should still be able to be found here https://mobile.twitter.com/kmckenna63/status/689582688710365184?p=v

As usual the personal attacks were targetted at Kevins "financial ability" and the "credibility" of his blogs and whether they can be believed or not  as they expose a huge part of the SNP's policies and  it's plan for Scottish Independence not just as over-optimistic rubbish but also quite reckless and irresponsible in its pursuit of its singular political goal.

One thing appears to be common with the "Pro-Indy" commentors attacks and that is either a great many people either have never even bothered to look at his Blogs at all, or haven't understood their financial content or have looked but are in denial that the data  could be telling the truth because it doesn't support their pre-conceived Pro-Indy beliefs built from more often used "Yesser" sites like Wings over Scotland and its published Wee Blue Book that has been rubbished by both Kevin and a host of other financially competent commentators.
As many of these people seem to merely quickly browse Kevins Blog they could be missing several points that might help provide evidence that both Kevin and the Data he presents are both "genuine", so as someone who has been a reader of his blog for some time let me guide folks to some important points that are well worth reading and giving some consideration too.

Point 1 "Kevin is a Pro Union Blogger and therefore his blogs and the data they present are somehow deliberately fixed and/or presented falsely to support a Pro-Union argument."

This is simply not true , while Kevin doesn't hide the fact that he personally is a supporter of  "Pro Union" the data is still presented honestly and factually and has not been altered in any way.
On the front page of the Blog home page here http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/  there is a  big RED button labelled "Endorsements" on the top right, clicking on it takes you to a page with a long list of reputable people  many of them properly trained and qualified in Financial matters who have checked Kevins work and are willing to stake their own reputations in supporting what he presents as being "factual". It can also be seen that those people named here come from both sides of the INDY argument , check names carefully for people you recognise and trust.
Therefore you don't have to agree with the Kevins View on Indy but you can still trust the actual data and the presentations of it. What other "Indy data " webpages have such a list of supporters whose professional qualifications can be traced and properly checked ?.
There is also acceptance from an SNP MP here that Kevins Numbers are "good" in the phrase "I was clearly a bright and decent guy and during the referendum I had been the only proper challenge on the numbers" Find it here http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/the-absolutely-fabulous-snp.html , Kevin has never stated who "this" particular MP actually was, but you might reason (rightly or wrongly) that it was in fact his own local SNP MP George Kerevan, who is held highly regarded by Yessers to be extremely financially literate ..and he should be considering his background.. see his details here http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/05/george-kerevan-my-new-snp-mp.html


Point 2 " Businessman and Pro-Union Blogger"
I see this term used often when describing Kevin to somehow to suggest I think, that because he can be clearly seen to be a successful self made Businessman that his morals in presenting his blogs is going to be somehow dishonest or that he is somehow "elitist" and doesn't have anything in common with the average Scottish voter or is somehow "bound to take the establishment veiwpoint"
However, in amongst Kevins many blogs there is one which shows that he certainly wasn't born with a Silver Spoon in his mouth at all, if anything his account suggests that he had a harder upbringing than many of us and that his personal success has been based on hard graft both in education and the aftermath of it.
So do yourself a favour and read that blog here.  http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/03/why-do-i-care.html

Point 3 "Acceptance ,Visiblity and Correction of Proven Errors" Unlike many other websites like this (Especially Wings over Scotland who never corrects  proven errors) Kevin accepts proven errors that are highlighted to him via the returned comments on his many Blogs and will correct them. He also responds to comments and takes time to provide further help in understanding the Data (within reason..there are clearly some folks who cannot or don't want to accept the truth when it doesn't suit their own veiwpoint and do their best to be obstructive). Read more on the issue of Blog errors and their methods of correction here. http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/wings-and-his-wee-blue-book-of-errors.html

I've also read Kevin Hague obtained a "Top First: medallist" in his Engineering Degree which would suggest his knowledge of maths and in handling Data properly can be more than just assumed.
in fact see here https://mobile.twitter.com/kevverage/status/681825359571083264/photo/1
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There is some suggestion Kevin McKennas sharp remark that started things off was in fact due to the fact Kevin Hague had scrutinised one of McKennas own articles  and found it to be flawed. http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/04/explaining-76bn-ffa-black-hole.html 
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So where should new readers start with Kevin's blog ?  The best place by far I would recommend would be with his "Video"  presentations of the SNP's White Paper "Scotland's Future"  which  (if readers don't already have one)  gives an excellent explanation and presentation of how Scotlands economy actually works as well as how and where the actual Data is presented and stored by the Scottish Government itself.

Those Videos can be found here, bear in mind though that these were written last year before the large Oil price falls and attempt to factor their effect into the final account. Perhaps in due course Kevin may provide an update to show us where we would have finally been on "Indy Day" .  http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/07/chokkablog-videos.html 

As well as the Blogs themselves also read the added readers comments,where there is a wealth of information  also to be found.
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Continued "Ad Hominem" attacks by Cybernats on Kevin Hague due to their inability to beat him on factual data has inspired another person to Blog on the issue https://mercinon.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/in-praise-of-kevin-hague-and-a-note-on-cybernats/ 

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Kevin's own info on his "Price of Independence"Commissioned Report which can be Found by clicking Here


Kevin Hague's Video Presentation of the Scottish Referendum White Paper, watch it and see the massive flaws exposed https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRFlR8RhKSg&list=PL-7OVl8SEba2KyZQc5Jkw8XuhfRTtrL3k&index=1




























































































































         

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Thursday, 14 January 2016

Is the SNP NOT a Cult ? Lets look at the behaviour involved.



                                                                                                                                                
Is this how an open and honest democratic political party really behaves ? 
"SNP in bid to 'gag' MSPs over Brexit vote " or is it more like a Cult  with an autocratic Husband and Wife couple at the top doing their best to wield personal absolute  power ? (more can be read on this article  by clicking here ) 

                                                                                             
   I had a website highlighted to me some many weeks ago that lists "Warning Signs" to help people identify whether they may have got themselves unknowingly involved with a Cult. Some people might think this would never happen to them because no-one would be "stupid enough" to do such a thing, but Cults are smart, they know people are wary and know the methods to draw them in and reassure them.
One obvious sign that the "SNP" and "Yes" followers have been deliberately manipulated in a "Cult" like manner is the way they have been convinced that the "evil" mainstream media is against them and the way they have been encouraged to avoid it  completely (just in case followers see "truth" and then actually think for themselves), it makes the "leaders" much more powerful by stopping followers from looking outwards but to only look towards  the Cult leaders for "news" and for what is the "truth " and what is a "lie", by following this practise they can enforce by their will alone the Groups "collective belief system". By sticking hard to this practise it also encourage members to only communicate "Cult" matters within the Group and to eliminate external influence, distractions or original thought. Only what the Group leaders say is the truth is the truth ...everything else is a lie even when its something that "looks" truthful to individuals it should be ignored. Just in case any of them really really have the need to read a Newpaper make sure that Cult leaders insist they only read the "National" fanzine, full of cult supporting propaganda to keep members looking and thinking inwardly.

http://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html

The Website has a worthwhile quote near its Header thats worth properly considering.

"Potentially unsafe groups or leaders "come off very nice at first, they go for vulnerable people who are looking for answers, lonely, what you'd call 'normal people.' They're very good at what they do and can get people to believe anything. You might think you'd never get taken in, but don't bet on it. " -- Margaret Singer, Ph.D."

"Leaders" doesn't just mean the people at the very top, it can mean the organisers of local membership groups that are small parts of the much larger overall organisation, they people can often themselves be obsessed with the "cause" they serve , often oozing charm, knowledge and confidence in their subject matter. The questions below need to be asked of these people as much as those at the very top of the tree.  Lets look at the questions to ask yourself if they match the mindset of those within the SNP. I'll fill in information where i can and see what sort of scores we get.

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/leader.

  1. Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability. Despite not actually being an MP in Westminster herself, the SNP leader has the power to order all the 54 (56) MP's there to vote on Her and unelected secretive creepy Husbands will alone.
  2. No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry. Anyone that has tried to discuss a subject or questioned any policy of the SNP with a follower or member will have found very quickly that its very quickly dismissed, SNP Policy cannot be wrong, it cannot be questioned, it is you that is wrong. The SNP is always right.
  3. No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement. The 56 SNP MP's stated they would all be giving their recent pay rises to "charity", to date i have not seen any proof provided of this at all. In the case of Alex Salmond though he does put some of his wages from his 4 jobs into a private "Family Trust" which he then controls and uses to spend on his own "pet projects" as he sees fit, the Public as such do not have open clear visibility or any say in how any of this money is spent and it certainly doesn't go anywhere near the pockets of "real" charities that the Public themselves would recognise, the funds therefore are still being effectively kept and spent as those in control see fit..not quite what most Scots understand by "going to charity".
  4. Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions. The SNP makes a continual Goebbelesque vocal point that "Westminster" conspires against Scotland constantly and needs to be free from its control. However they never provide any real evidence of this being the case , its all made up invented greivances time after time to keep cult members feeling that they are somehow being persecuted. Even when factual data and financial data showing the opposite is true, SNP members and MP's merely say its false data made up as part of the evil conspiracy plot against Scotland and Scots voters. Another common story is that the UK is going to be Bankcrupt soon and that Scotland needs to get away from it before it happens, ask them to provide proof of this and they cannot, they may provide a "big number" as an amount of "debt" but that does not prove that the debt cannot be serviced properly and safely or that it demonstrates potential future bankcruptcy. More hollow conspiracy propaganda stories designed to deceive.
  5. There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil. The SNP say if your Scottish and a patriot, then the only political party you should be voting for is the SNP, if you choose to vote for anyone other than the SNP or to leave the SNP your are either a Quisling traitor or a Paedophile in their eyes (very often both). If your not an SNP voter you can also be called  a "Red or Blue" Tory despite the fact you may not wish to vote at all or vote for one many other parties registered in Scotland and that govern in Scotland.
  6. Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances. Anyone that has left or turned away from the SNP will have had experiences mentioned in number 5, some have been accused of many made up "crimes" on social media too.
  7. There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader. Lots of bad press on the SNP available via Google from tax dodging, to expense fiddling,business malpractice to theft and violence, this is despite them trying to project themselves as flawless individuals that only serve the nation first and foremost..its simply not true. The evidence of their lies is there for all to see.
  8. Followers feel they can never be "good enough". Followers don't always understand the explanations of policy and often don't appear correct as they are explained or are logical , however followers don't often question any further as they do not want to "appear stupid" or to get into an argument where the "pack" turn on them. To ask questions is almost to be a traitor for "not believing".
  9. The group/leader is always right. In Westminster all SNP MP's without fail all vote as instructed by the party leader, no dissent is allowed or is acceptable.They are not allowed to think for themselves or offer alternate views or to vote on their own decision.
  10. The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible. A good way of demonstrating this may be the SNP's attitude and its followers attitude to any second Independence Referendum. Members and followers now state openly that its a decision that the "leader" will make when she decides the time is right. "Nicola will know when the time is right". This situation has also been re-written into the SNP's latest manifesto..it is almost like she is the "Messiah" with some sort of special  power of vision into the future. This is a situation that is hard to fathom for an SNP leader who previously nearly resigned over her misjudged dubious support for a twice convicted fraudster, its almost as if the SNP have elevated her onto a different plane from other mortals and yet her own great many previous failings are clearly recorded.
    Ten warning signs regarding people involved in/with a potentially unsafe group/leader
  1. Extreme obsessiveness regarding the group/leader resulting in the exclusion of almost every practical consideration. On social media at least obsessiveness with the SNP leader means you are shouted down and criticised if anything is said against her, abuse is often returned or a block or membership deletion.
  2. Individual identity, the group, the leader and/or God as distinct and separate categories of existence become increasingly blurred. Instead, in the follower's mind these identities become substantially and increasingly fused--as that person's involvement with the group/leader continues and deepens. SNP members don't seem to see that other parties perhaps could hold the same values they do. As they only see the SNP as the only way forward there are no other potential options in their minds therefore they and the SNP are "one".
  3. Whenever the group/leader is criticized or questioned it is characterized as "persecution". The lengths that the Orkney Independence followers set about with their attempt of the  persecution of Alistair Carmichael appears competely over the top, actions like this have never been raised against SNP members ie Alex Salmond who has been caught deliberately lying numerous times. Again from social media SNP followers see lies and conspiracies everywhere and yet lies  and finacial impropriety from their party members is either simply not see as such or completely ignored as being the same thing.
  4. Uncharacteristically stilted and seemingly programmed conversation and mannerisms, cloning of the group/leader in personal behavior. Han't anyone else noticed that other SNP members interveiwed on TV mimic Sturgeons stuccato delivery of speeches often made as well with the copied mannerism of  her own "head nods and bobbing" ? 
  5. Dependency upon the group/leader for problem solving, solutions, and definitions without meaningful reflective thought. A seeming inability to think independently or analyze situations without group/leader involvement. Again the fact that 54 (56) SNP MP's all vote exactly as the SNP leader tells them to is unknown in Westminster, its a system of  no independent thought or independent decison making, the party leader is the single point of decision making and yet is not even an elected  Westminster MP.
  6. Hyperactivity centered on the group/leader agenda, which seems to supercede any personal goals or individual interests. Anyone who has engaged with SNP follers online know that they are largely fanatical in their beliefs, have a closed mindset and either don't want to consider alternative scenarios to those goals of the SNP or that the SNP's policies may not even be the best thing for Scotland. 
  7. A dramatic loss of spontaneity and sense of humor. Seriously ? Where politics are concerned the SNP and its followers have no sense of humour , any joke or humour made about (even loosely) Scotland is taken with much offense and often serious accusations of "talking Scotland down" or "insulting Scotland" are made , often with with associated physical threats.
  8. Increasing isolation from family and old friends unless they demonstrate an interest in the group/leader. It's widely known that many people who are "recruits" to the SNP have completely cut off not just life long  friendships but very often family members, brothers , sisters, Mother and Fathers often for good rather than for short periods of time. Cutting off Family members to avoid having to face reality or facts is a VERY common theme amongst CULTS,check the rest of the website for more info on this.
  9. Anything the group/leader does can be justified no matter how harsh or harmful. Recent news that the SNP leader was previously the infrastructure minister who was directly responsible for making a 58% cut in the maintenance budget for the Forth Road Bridge which was closed to trafic for a long period recently,  yet this seems to be getting completely ignored as potentially the cause for the bridge closure and all the upheaval it caused. Yet normal and accepted "cause and effect " analysis would highlight such a large cut in the maintenance budget as being a major issue and likely potential cause for the event in the first place.
  10. Former followers are at best-considered negative or worse evil and under bad influences. They can not be trusted and personal contact is avoided. In the same way as non-followers a follower who left who left to vote elsewhere would  also be called a traitor or Quisling, it is the Nationalist mantra.

Ten signs of a safe group/leader.

  1. A safe group/leader will answer your questions without becoming judgmental and punitive. SNP members are generally very judgemental if answers or statements they give are not accepted without question as being "fact"
  2. A safe group/leader will disclose information such as finances and often offer an independently audited financial statement regarding budget and expenses. Safe groups and leaders will tell you more than you want to know. Financial accounts of SNP and YES Independence groups have not been forthcoming and in some cases fraudulent and incomplete. The electoral commission is in the process of investigating many YES groups to see if they were actually working secretly as one unit which is against electoral commission rules.
  3. A safe group/leader is often democratic, sharing decision making and encouraging accountability and oversight. SNP party is one of "central control" rather than devolving power. (ie "Classic Cult" Top down Structure)
  4. A safe group/leader may have disgruntled former followers, but will not vilify, excommunicate and forbid others from associating with them. The SNP see other parties members as the enemy especially Unionist parties, they do not appear to accept other parties are every bit as competent (or not ) as they are , definitely see themselves as "supreme".
  5. A safe group/leader will not have a paper trail of overwhelmingly negative records, books, articles and statements about them. Probably too early for the current leader , but no end of records for the previous leader of bullying and of blatent lying. However Sturgeon know that she too is guiltly of repeating deliberate financial lies on Scotlands economy in pursuit of the SNP's propaganda cause. Goebbels would be pleased if he could see his legacy.
  6. A safe group/leader will encourage family communication, community interaction and existing friendships and not feel threatened. Unconverted family members are veiwed as targets for conversion to the cause. Named person legislation and new National datebase are being seen as too much and too far for the sake of forcing people to take the Nationalist viewpoint. Forced promotion of Gaelic language and roadsigns are also seen as unrequired and evidence of the SNP trying to force its will on the majority wo do not want it.
  7. A safe group/leader will recognize reasonable boundaries and limitations when dealing with others. With the SNP it seems to be things will be done their way or not at all.
  8. A safe group/leader will encourage critical thinking, individual autonomy and feelings of self-esteem. Absolutely no signs of individual autonomy or individual decision making with Westminster SNP MP's at all.
  9. A safe group/leader will admit failings and mistakes and accept constructive criticism and advice. There has been no acceptance at all or apology that the SNP White Paper was a flawed document that would have been the cause of huge hardship in Scotland and would have led to Income tax Rises and /or cuts in government spending to the tune of £8.5 billion per annum.
  10. A safe group/leader will not be the only source of knowledge and learning excluding everyone else, but value dialogue and the free exchange of ideas. It appears that any future direction of policy for the SNP is the decision of the leader alone and names the leader as being the singular maker of that decision in its own in its constitution.
So what do readers think ?  Are there enough suitable answers here to suggest that the SNP has developed into something nearer to a "Cult" than a "normal " UK political party ?  I think there are more than enough signs to have concerns about , the attitude of a great many SNP follewers can honestly be described as fanatical in beleiving all sorts of ridiculous invented propaganda to a point that could be described as "unhealthy" no doubt about that.
Or perhaps even mentally ill, many of them seem to believe anything put in front rather than go and check for real facts themselves, perhaps as John Swinney said previously Scots really are "too wee and too stupid " to see when they are being conned by lots of people deliberately trying to abuse their trust by lying to them for the sake of getting them to Vote SNP.

The Website below offers other insights and help on how to become less involved with such overpowering organisations , click on the URL link to open it.
          http://culteducation.com/warningsigns.html

Feel free to copy the Blog URL or the URL of the actual website itself to pass to people or their families for their own use and self assessment check.

The screenshot below is taken from from one of the SNP/Independence "fringe" groups ...how "Cultish" would YOU rate this one ?   Who knows perhaps Salmond and Sturgeon are members of the Illuminati who ahev the power of mind control ? When you look at the Facebook timelines of many SNP followers and Groups it certainly seems that way. Do you best to alert them by posting the URL to this page to them wherever you can, who know you may even help re-unite many family members.


A good peice has been written on how people can be effectively brainwashed (no matter whatever else you want to call it ) which can be found here http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/12/neuro-linguistic-programming-for-masses.html 

Every Cult needs a way of recruitment and one of the most prolific for the SNP and other followers of the Independence cause is "Wings over Scotland" whose members appear to beleive all the false propaganda,attempts at diversion and misinformation published on the site as "the truth".  To be a regular reader of Wings you have to be a true beleiver , if you dare to question the propaganda you will be shouted down and/or abused.

Wings produced the infamous Wee Blue Book which has been shown to be nothing but rubbish based on out of date data and flawed financial assumptions designed to falsely further a cause by the use of mass published propaganda. i.e.

" The arguments in the Wee Blue Book are exactly that: no sustained economic argument, but just a collection of random quotes and debating points to make a problem go away. When the future fiscal position is raised, we are so often told about the past. I too think past North Sea oil was squandered, but grievance does not put money into a future Scottish government’s coffers. I read that forecasting the future is too uncertain, from people who I am sure think about their future income when planning their personal spending. I read about how economists are always disagreeing, when in this case they are pretty united."

Read more here.http://mainlymacro.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/scotland-and-snp-fooling-yourselves-and.html

Despite Wings having these issues raised , not one single error even has been admitted , infact quite the opposite where Wings has actually ridiculously falsely bragged that not even one error has even been highlighted so far. This is a huge lie.

The following links all highlight and explain how the Wee Blue Book and the Wings Website are often completely wong and why.

Wings and His Wee Blue Book of Errors Part 1 http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/wings-and-his-wee-blue-book-of-errors.html

Wee Blue Book of Errors Part II: Pensions  http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/wings-wee-blue-book-of-errors-part-ii.html

Meme-busting : Wings Over Scotland & Infrastructure Spending https://whytepaper.wordpress.com/2015/09/13/meme-busting-wings-over-scotland-infrastructure-spending/

Andrew Neil has Angus Robertson for Breakfast and Stu Campbell for Lunch.
https://drscottthinks.wordpress.com/2015/10/19/andrew-neil-has-angus-robertson-for-breakfast-and-stu-campbell-for-lunch/

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Ewan Dow leaves the SNP saying it “resembles a cult with selfies” http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/snp-members-care-more-about-selfies-with-nicola-than-policy-drfflpttb  
  
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Has the Oil Price killed Indy2 for a Generation ? Click here 
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If there is one thing that define's a"Cult" its the way that they are willing to beleive any manufactured false stories thats supports their own belief system that they want to will to be actually true.
 http://scottishpatriots.blogspot.com/2016/02/the-snps-propaganda-wing-called.html 

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Not a Cult ?  A commonly enough used Nat FB profile pic. Every picture tells a Story.



Really I mean really ??


Says it all really ?

More Cult Tat objects for sale at the SNP conference








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Why do they think that only Sturgeon alone being FM makes any difference one way or the other , clearly they only worship one single person as some sort of deity and don't understand Democracy or the Voting process at all ? Anything that doesn't go their singular way or doesn't agree with their simplistic childish logic appears to be an act of near treason ?  


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The Picture below is just too funny for words especially as this was someone who nearly resigned over Her flawed personal support at Holyrood for a twice convicted Con Man 
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Sunday, 10 January 2016

Yet Scotland could be as "great" as Norway ? No Thanks.


"...but Scotland could be as great a country to live as Norway " This is often the answer that Nats come up with , rather than try to explain how they would make Scotland itself actually any better than it is now from Independence and looking at the real issues they try to move the focus away from looking at Scotland's issues at all and look elsewhere..sometimes something in the past from History and therefore not in the slightest way relevant or they choose the lifestyle of another totally different country that few Scots have real actual experience of and therefore cannot counter the argument being put by Nationalists making the argument. Even if they do have experience there isn't any guarantee that they are telling you the truth, when people want something different to you they will often be willing to lie about things to attempt to change your own mind.

Norway is often a favourite choice because of its Oil industry and by having one of those Nats like to compare "like for like" to Scotland but only for points they want you to know or for things that aren't actually true anyway but  which they want you to believe, as they want to fool you to into Voting in support of their own cause by creating an imaginary Utopian belief system to convince people that anything is better than the status quo we have in Scotland right now.

I found this website recently which i think highlights a great many reasons lots of people would certainly not like a Scotland that resembled Norway at all. Rather than copy all the content to here pales read the information on this link for yourselves, then we will look at Norways Oil Fund which is another often used subject in Nat propaganda.

http://mylittlenorway.com/2010/04/do-you-really-want-to-live-in-norway/

A very short summary then is that in Norway basic rate income tax is 36%, you then have to additionally pay personally towards your healthcare treatments if you fall ill and if you lose your job you only get support for a year, the government can also "choose" to put you into any sort employment at all if its available and if you refused to take that job your "unemployment benefit " would cease. You must learn Norwegian within a certain time and without doing this successfully you will be refused permission to stay in Norway.

Not as great as you thought after all huh ?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/norways_hidden_scandal?fbclid=IwAR0DiSC8yt9WZ4jbGL0CR5WXr6I4oyqLS23TrWTAAfJsAdQqom5wZo2DZjI

There is no end of available reading that easily shows that Scots WOULD NOT be any better off trying to be Norway is heading for al sorts of financial troubles of its own. Click on the links to read them.

http://brexitcentral.com/norwegians-now-want-referendum-quitting-european-economic-area/

Norways Oil Decline Accelerating 

Norway Risks Killing Its Own Economy  ( Via the FORBES Website  )

For Norway $50 Oil is worse than the Global Financial Crisis 

End of Oil Boom Threatens Norways Financial Model 

http://www.thelocal.no/20151202/goodbye-good-times-for-norways-oil-capital

http://www.afr.com/news/world/norway-to-start-withdrawals-from-oil-fund-to-plug-deficits-20151007-gk3xhl

I'd say that from reading all the information on these links that life in Norway wouldn't be as rosy as many Scots are deliberately led by Nationalists to think it would..so for anyone suggesting such a thing ..do you know what...if you think its so great why don't YOU just move there and stop whining at the rest of us that like Scotland just as it is now ?

Norways external debt to the rest of the World https://www.ceicdata.com/en/indicator/norway/external-debt
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Update  15/01/2016 Norway Declares Crisis in Oil Industry

  Brent Oil closes at $26.73 , Norway is now devaluing its currency so that it stays competitive in World markets, however this would make travelling outside Norway more expensive for people living there, therefore perhaps another reason why being Norway wouldn't be as brilliant as SNP followers try to make it sound. Read the whole article here.
 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-14/norway-government-rules-out-extra-stimulus-as-oil-rout-persists
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Norway Sells Chinese Railway investment company that Sturgeon has just recently signed a contract with to build Scottish Infrastucture , the SNP are Rank Amateurs with Scottish taxpayers money.

http://www.ipe.com/news/esg/norways-klp-sells-chinese-rail-company-over-corruption-concerns/10008531.fullarticle

The SNP tried to keep this hidden from the Scottish Public because they know the Chinese compnay was involved in corruption.
http://stv.tv/news/politics/1348724-questions-raised-over-snps-10-billion-chinese-trade-deal/

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Here is another new unfortunate truth for Scottish Nationalists, after decades of Scottish Nationalists forwarding both Norway and Iceland as "future models" of what Scotland could be, they are now actually described as quite the opposite  in their new "Wee Bleu Book" website   http://www.scotlandineurope.eu/ 

"Norway, just to the east of us, shows one alternative, Iceland another, but after a long time spent studying them, we have concluded that they are poor options for Scotland."

Hilarious isn't it , Nationalists change their visions and policies as often as the wind changes direction.
PS  Denmark does not even get a mention by the SNP here so please don't bother suggesting that one either. Scots would never want to pay the levels of Income tax that Danes pay, Scots were not recently even happy by one UK political party asking them to pay an extra 1% to pay for better services and less austerity so don't make us laugh by suggesting Scots would want to adopt the high taxation Danish Model.
ie The state income tax has two income brackets (base and top). In 2014 income from DKK 42,900 to DKK 421,000 is taxed at 5.83% and income above DKK 422,000 is taxed an additional 15%. Other taxes include Municipal income tax, currently in the range 23% - 28%, though on average 24.09%. A Health contribution of 8% apply on all income above the tax free allowance in year 2014, though from there the health contribution is getting merged with the regular income tax by one percent per year. Under the Danish tax system, it is possible for a high-wage earner to pay up to 51.5% of their total income after gross tax, giving a total of 57% of total income.
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Norway says "We are not like Scotland" http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/3280030/Alex-Salmond-refuses-to-back-down-after-Norway-says-were-not-like-Scotland..html

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